Monday, October 25, 2010

"Sub2 ...No Down, My Black Eye...!"

I was alerted to this article written about three years ago that still circulates about Sub2 investing. The author attempts to show that Sub2 was a viable investing strategy (which it is), but then floods the article with the worst advice and misunderstandings ever. Me in Blue.


"Of all the real estate investing strategies available to investors today, probably my favorite is what is called sub2 or subject to. Buying subject 2 basically means that you as the investor agree to buy a sellers home subject to the underlying financing on the property. One of the things that makes buying this way so effective is many times you can purchase homes without any money of your own, or putting your credit on the line, in other words real estate investing with no money down. You then can turn around and find a buyer of your own that you’ll sell to on a lease-option agreement.

  • Subject to– real estate investing with no money down

Probably 99% of the time when a person agrees to sell their home subject to they are a number of months behind in their mortgage payments and are seriously close to losing their home to foreclosure."
Uh, no. It may be that 99% of those behind in their payments WISH they could sell their home Sub2. However, no legitimate Sub2 investor buys houses that are behind in payments unless they are severely under-priced.

Well, way under-priced houses rarely get sold using Sub2 financing, unless they're wrecks. In fact, the best candidates for Sub2 deals then are newer homes with little or no equity that need ZERO work ...and the owner needs out yesterday, because of illness, divorce, or relocation --- and the need for a SURE closing.

Meantime, once a loan defaults, no Sub2 investor in his right mind is going to take title. The lender will be all over that loan with investigations and profiling. Banks may not call a loan in this market simply because it's in default... but by gawd they'll call the loan if it's in default AND there's been a change in ownership!!!!

Just because we can get the deed on a property doesn't mean we should. This particular idea of buying defaulted properties is financial suicide, if not setting oneself up for abject failure.

Furthermore, if the loan was somehow brought current, and the bank didn't call the loan after an equitable transfer of interest, we would have to get a BOATLOAD of cash from a new buyer for our "lease option" or "land contract" in order to cover the expenses of bringing the loan current (including paying the legal costs and reinstatement fees charged by the loan servicers.)

These costs are always too high for a profitable Sub2 deal to work. So burying our buyer's down payment in loan reinstatement costs, we've got nothing for our work, except maybe a promise of future equity. For that we must wait forever ...meantime no spending money.

"So when it comes to those payments in the arrears, someone must take care of them, either you as the investor-buyer or someone else. What you will obviously do is leave that to your lease-option buyer."
Oh, yes, Lease Option buyers always have enough money for us to make a profit, AND enough bring the loan current. Please.

"They will do this by giving you a down payment or what is called option consideration. This amount should be high enough to cover the back payments and any fees or penalties..."
Yes, it sure better bloody be enough. Fat chance.

"They then will take over the payments already in place on the home and then at a certain point, for example in 12 to 18 months, apply for a new loan during which time you will be “cashed out” of your position..."
Yes, that happens just like that a parallel universe. What actually happens is the tenant/buyer bails, and we sell the house twice, and get another $30,000 down. Yippee. That's the only saving grace for a deal like she's describing.

"There are a myriad of real estate investing strategies, anyone when utilized the right way can prove to be very profitable. But of the many investment strategies buying sub2 is still my favorite. Simply put, buying subject to allows for real estate investing with no money down and you don’t have to go through lender qualifying."
It may mean no money down for the investor, but it also means NO PROFIT anytime soon for him either.

"So for those credit-challenged individuals, that last part makes this one of the most valuable investment strategies, in fact not just for those starting out looking to learn real estate investing but also for seasoned professionals."

Anyone learning real estate investing from this author is doomed to a horrifying crash and burn. Sub2 is NOT for those with no cash, or a way to buy properties that are months behind in payments.

It's only for sellers with current loan who may not have sufficient equity to pay an agent to market their property, but it's not the answer for a defaulted loan situation.

P.S. I'm supposed to give credit to the author here, but for the sake of the author, I'll just leave that part out. I don't want to expose her ignorance.

If you would like to know how to actually make a LOT of money in Sub2 without getting a black eye ...without rehabs or making back payments ...but find the sellers who are happy to give you their deeds ...without questions below and watch this 22-minute Sub2 presentation I have for you...

How to make great money in Sub2 investing without the a black eye

Tuesday, October 12, 2010

"One Sub2 Ringy Dingy, Two Sub2 Ringy Dingy"

"Is this the party to whom I am speaking...?"

Unfiltered calls are the pits!

Last month I abandoned all heretofore protocols of mine and posted an unfiltered craigslist ad.

Why? I had a friend who had a friend who needed out of her small house yesterday. Frankly, I don't like doing low-end deals, especially, if I can't get the deed, and it's going to be lease/option deal --- and especially when the house isn't that nice.

That's nearly 3 strikes. The third strike would be trying to cover an adjustable loan, on an underwater house. Forget that.

However, my friend's friend needed help so I thought, "Well, if I owned an upside down rental, and needed a way to protect my credit, and I didn't know any way, and I found a guy like me to help me, he would be my hero." So I succumbed. I'm so desperate to be a hero.

I didn't have a buyer's list ready for either a lease/option house, or one this cheap. So I had to scramble to get things together. So, I experimented with the generic craigslist "lease option" ad, based on some proven ad copy I developed from earlier times. However, I left most of the qualifying information out of the ad to get the largest response, in my attempt to remind myself why highly tailored ads are critical to maintain --- and used to avoid having to wade through a bunch of trash calls.

My experimental ad copy worked, but I left out another important ingredient. Meantime, I got exactly what I advertised for...a pile of unfiltered buyers with no money for down payments. Whoops!

The real point of this, is that certain shotgun ads work. However, when it does, we'll be on the phone forever with "Looky Lou's!" who aren't serious (or ready) to actually buy our houses if we don't first say what we must have... Otherwise, we just get the just curious, and the tire kickers, that waste our time.

So what was the missing ingredient here, besides not qualifying with the ad copy?

Why, it was not using voice mail to capture and qualify leads. If we're not using a 3rd party lead capture, then what? It means that we're gonna have to do the screening in person.

In years past I was the "Marvin Milquetoast" of phone interviewers. I all, too often, operated from my heels. I rarely felt in control, or confident about how to cut to the chase. That was then. Not no mo.

Now, I've got one question that I ask every buyer before we get down to see IF we can get down to business, so that I'm not wasting my time personally helping the curious weigh their options at my expense. And what is that "one question?"

You can find it in my creative real estate investing course I call, "Screw The Bank!"

It's my "no credit - no down payment - no hassle" real estate investing system that allows me to find the most anxious buyers and sellers in this market who will let me pocket $30k in 90 days."